New Template display issues

[inspireme]

I havent looked at them all because i have been working with the cleandex template only, but i suspect similar problem exists in all of these new templates. Have a look at the detail pages in Internet Explorer and then in Firefox - separating the detail items using padding wont work consistently in the two browsers the way you have done it.

If a user has a few paragraphs description and different shaped custom fields then the display goes really whacky. I tried fixing it but in the end deleted the whole section of style sheet and started from scratch.

[SSB]

Hi inspireme,

had the same problem using the cleandex template on IE6. I've upgraded to IE7 which has sorted it. having said that, I'm now having problems displaying images on the index page!

anyone else had this problem? if yes, have you found a fix?

[inspireme]

Its worse in IE6 - which unfortunately is what most internet users use! I couldn't find a simple fix. This really should be updated, as well as the templates being made to validate... John?

[Bruceper]

Don't you just wish you could convince everyone to stop using IE? It would make life so much easier.

Webpages would work properly.
No more proprietary IE only tags
No more stupidity with viruses autoinstalling
Users would see real browser features that I've used since the days of windows 3.11 (now available in IE 7, only 13 years after Opera did it!)


No, this isn't MS bashing, just IE bashing because it sucks so bad.

Anyways, I am guessing that this wouldn't be an issue for most sites using indexu. I've seen lots of sites and most of them don't use custom fields. I'm not saying it's not a problem, just not a huge problem.

[inspireme]

its not so much the custom fields - just compare a detail page on both Firefox and IE using the demo site (cleandex). they look completely different, in fact, it looks pretty horrible in IE i think. the captions take up half the space, and the content is pushed to the edges... as 90% of internet is IE it seems essential its fixed.

[Bruceper]

We'll just do what the Internet Exploder users have been doing for years and call it "a feature".

[esm]

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I saw a quote the other day that "if it's too loud, then you are too old." So in addition to getting old, I must also be getting blind because I be danged if I see what you are talking about on the demo site.


I used IE 6 and FireFox 2. While they are not identical, they looked pretty much the same to me in all the pages. What am I missing...???

One thing I did notices was that the text for the input/select boxes was bolded in Global Search section of FireFox but not in IE.



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[inspireme]

hmm.. well perhaps the reason this isnt being fixed is that nobody else sees it... ok will post some screenshots in a little bit.

[esm]

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are you seeing this at your site or at the nicecoder.com demo...?

hmmmm...if your site, then have you made any modifications to either the html or css...???

well, of course you would have. if at your site, it may be hard to determine at this point if your modifications caused the problem or if they existed just after the install but before you started making changes.

If the demo, then I'm not seeing the problem you describe. But what the heck. The optometrist tell me I still have 20/20 vision but I still need reading glasses.


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[inspireme]

demo site, let me get some screen shots

[inspireme]

ok, sorry the quality is rubbish, but you get the idea (by the way can you raise the upload limit? 100k is rubbish! oh, and PM more than 70!)

first one the detail text is correct (firefox) second the description etc is wacky

[esm]

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I did a power search for the term open directory and went to the detail page of link id number 1987.

Yes there are some rendering issue in IE. While they are small, they are certainly annoying. Or maybe the IE does it correctly and FF got it wrong. If the developer geared it to FF, then IE would "appear to the problem" when in fact the developer just "fixed" problems in FF.

I typed a long rant on "validated" sites but deleted it. just as well. No one here to read it anyway.

I am working on a new MOD for INDEXU (another useless exercise given the involvement level here of indexu users). go here http://www.indexuhelp.com/addlinks/ and sign in and select the next to last menu item, Update Link Meta Info. then just click the submit button. It is not live yet so you cannot do anything bad.

Look at it in FF and IE. It looks great in IE but does not work at all in FF. Does IE have it right and FF wrong? don't care. that is why I will use a table.



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[CEC]

didn't your "rant" have something to do with 'tableless' madness? not sure. if it did, i agree.

[esm]

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yep, sure did. Unless someone has a few hundred thousand dollars to throw at the problem (and I am not convinced it can be "fixed" even then), all the validated css/hmtl is just madness. well, more like crap because that is what the site looks like.

While tables can be a real pain to deal with and add to the page size, I'm not creating the site for me but for my visitors. Most visitors, if not all, don't even know about "validated" pages and probably could care less.

But nothing wrong with trying to do things in a better way. I guess it's not called the "bleeding" edge of technology for nothing...



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[inspireme]

tables are quick and easy, but then also create big bloated pages - but this isn't important on anything but the front end of a website.

I think the validated code is also worth striving for because it gives your site structure, a validated site is a lot more likely to display fine on small screens like phones, pdas etc. when a design is being used 100s of times over, it should be fixed, and working to a high standard.

Try looking at a really long 2-3 paragraph description in IE, the display problems makes the page really long, and the paragraphs really narrow- yet you have piles of space to the side - Throw in some custom fields like images, maybe a map, an inline advert and things start looking rather... well.. shabby.

I have fixed this by restructuring and rewriting the code, i didn't use what was existing because i just wasnt clever enough to find a work around. I jsut posted to tell the owner about the problem. thinking he could save others countless wasted hours fixing it, improve customer experience etc... but hey, John seems to appear once in a while to buy a new translation so he can find new markets... all good business sense - but personally i think the product should sell itself, if problems are fixed when they are posted i bet we wouldn't have half the post count on this forum -

Ps.
I like the new mod esm.