Is their a way to approve deletions that Editors Make?

[jamesst]

Is their a way to approve deletions that assigned Editors Make before they actually become deleted? Kind of like in a way to where i'm still the overseer of all actions that contributing editors make, or kind of like the final say of all editors?

Just like DMOZ, when your an editor, of which I used to be, I remember that no matter what modifications i made to DMOZ as an editor, they would eventually have to be approved by a higher ranked editor.

Is their a way to do this in a step-by-step proccess?

I think that this option would be an excellent feature in protection and integrity.

[FSGDAG]

There's no way to currently do that. It would definitely be a modification / plugin. Not even sure if a plugin could do that?!?!?

Just to expand on your idea, maybe once an editor makes a change, in any way, that the link then goes back into idx_link_temp until you approve it... The same way modified links do when a link owner makes a change

This would also be good to put in the Project Tools section of the forum

[Bruceper]

Typically an editor is someone you trust, but I do agree that being able to moderate an editor would be an excellent function.

[jamesst]

I do agree that being able to moderate an editor would be an excellent function.

yes bruce, if you can...have them work on that. i think that that would be a envelope sealer.

what im thinking in the interim, which might be good....is if in the editors control panel...in the area where the editors can mark a site....what could be done is this, maybe swapping out the delete function from the area...and just replacing it with the suspended function...that way....the editor has no way of actually deleting the link, but rather placing it in the suspended mode. that way the admin would be able to officially delete the site.

how in the code could that be hacked bruce or FSGDAG, let's try to figure that out.

i'll do some analysis in a few and tell you what i come up with. i think i can do it....i think i can...:-)

i think, that would be such a benefit that everyone would love that would really help in the growth and overall site development and management.

[Bruceper]

One note however, this would be added to Deluxe, not to 5.4x

Since this is requested for 5.4x then it won't have much involvement from me or Nicecoder since 5.4x is nearing it's End Of Life (EOL)

[jamesst]

im thinking in the interim, until it can be finalized with deluxe, if this button, which is located in the editors control panel...[ /cp/editor_link_bad.php ]



can be swapped out with the suspended function.

that would be ideal.

Since this is requested for 5.4x then it won't have much involvement from me or Nicecoder since 5.4x is nearing it's End Of Life

i can understand and relate to that bruce.

i guess that at times the frustrating part of it all is... knowing that just when things seem close to perfection....we move on.

as a result.....sometime it seems like theirs never a solid end to it all. but thanks to the fact that deluxe is so much alike to 5.4x some things can be done..which is a good thing. but i hope that when i do make the jump that many of the functions have been thought out, tested and perfected to create a moment of ease.

i guess i'm one of those type of people who does so much editing to the themes and the actual script itself, just to make some things a bit more functional...you start to feel like its your baby...kinda like a car that you fully customize to fully meet your needs.

but i'm huge on making the jump....esp once i feel totally comfortable in knowing that it's less bug free than the previous.

that's one reason why i use the Mac OS, instead of the Microsoft OS......simply because they put something out...not fully looking it over......and then what happens is you find that your sometimes worse off, or more burdened that you were from the start.

i guess that's always my worry when it comes to my experience with software upgrades or the likes of such.

but yeah, this is fun and very educational.

i look forward to jumping to indexu deluxe soon...i just want to get to a certain point to where i feel comfortable. that's important to me, esp. when it comes to time and debugging stuff, if you know what i'm saying. :-)

but if theirs any knowledge on how that can be swapped out..which seems fairly simple...that would be GREAT!


(quick note: i must say that overall indexu is a very solid application. i'm very pleased with it, even though at times their are some things, but for the most part....it's very good).

[Bruceper]

The biggest problem for moderating what an editor does is that there are multiple things an editor can do.

Edit a listing
Add a listing
Delete a listing
Approve a listing

And then there's the other functions that you pointed out such as bad link reports and such.

But there is nowhere for those to go if they were moderated. IndexU currently uses the simple idea of yes or no, there is no maybe (if you understand what I mean).

The would need to be a LOT of changes to each function an editor can do so that an admin would approve them. There also needs to be database changes as well as a change to the admin panel for a moderation area.

I think this whole idea is a little too complex to simply add it as an add-on. We're going to take a long hard look at it for Deluxe though.

[jamesst]

yeah...i see what you mean bruce. as for the

there is no maybe (if you understand what I mean).

i think that would be suitable.

indeed i did look around and yes, theirs a lot of things an editor can do, and without question, i do see some complexities.

i think i'm just concerned as i'm sure others are, with editors who possibly go rouge (i.e. Sarah Palin on Saturday Night Life). I'm concerned with one of those type a guys.

but taking a deep breath......and a bit of deep thought here Bruce, what could possibly be done to protect that from happening?

i'm trying to think to myself as i write this...but i think its a good thing to ponder on now since its creating movement on the idea even if it's on the 5.4x platform.

for one thing to remember is this.....it's the 5.4x users who are going to really be the ones to reinvent and to really disect this thing in an effort to make Indexu a beautiful and quality thing....i just thought about that.

only because...they have put in the time, the dedication and have went out of their way to vision a perfect product that will in return receive a quality reputation. to those people out there who are still diggin in that 5.4x code.....man i tell you, i gotta tip my hat to those people....and to those people it will be them, the ones, that will help the developers in understanding Index as well. so it all works full circle.

but i'm sure bruce it will all link up full circle with deluxe.

this paragraph is a bit off the topic.....but it's so funny when i hear the word "deluxe".....lol it makes me think of a hamburger with all the trimmings and all that when i think of it. kinda like as if the previous hamburger didnt have the mayo or the lettuce or something like that...hahahaha....but maybe next time...maybe next time....give me a chance at maybe contributing to the name of the next Indexu release so i can maybe choose something a bit more different.]

but back to the trust thing.

so yes...being able to control your data is important.

i think it would be a devastating shame if one day you wake up and all your links are omitted from your database, or they went ahead and deleted all their competitors links the first day they become an editor.

because in reality...the only ones that you can trust is yourself and God.

man i hope that helps, but if we can start building on the idea since its already been posted here that would be awesome. obviously the info would be shared and available to the programmers who can simply look at the thread...review it....and figure out a way how to migrate this info from this thread to indexu deluxe......hahaha...there goes that term again.

but yeah, i'm in for the count for this challenge....this will be exciting.

i'm not really a programmer, but im moreso of one who's a idealist, or a visionary. but im sure that without question.....i can contribute in many ways.

that's why i have really been spending time on the forums......in hopes that i can possibly make a difference.

[Bruceper]

I had nothing to do with "deluxe", that was all Dody

because in reality...the only ones that you can trust is yourself and God.

umm not exactly correct. I don't do the god thing, but I do trust my dog, kinda the same thing if you look at it in the mirror

Yes it would suck if an editor went rogue, in the real world I'm guessing that's what backups are for. But IndexU should also have a system where a site owner can protect themselves from bad editors.

Never mind the fact that an editor can delete listings. How about an editor adding and approving listings that are off topic and could damage your site?

Lets just say you run a kids site that's getting 2000 uniques per day from kids and parents. Suddenly one day an editor goes rogue and starts adding porn links disguised as links that kids would be interested in.

How quickly would your site die and/or get sued? Sure it's not your fault, but it's still your site and ultimately you are responsible for it. Traffic drops, income is lost, reputation is ruined.

It can happen, and I'm sure it has, but I haven't heard about it (yet).

[jamesst]

man bruce....your totally on the money with that thing. that's what i mean. its just a huge concern and if anything......this paramount.

i would have automatically thought that the editors feature would have had that without question, but sheeze.....i'm glad that its been brought up.

but i'm thinking that as a patch, until it can be implemented in the deluxe (lol that word again).....that could at least hold hold up in the interim.

when i'm really in a jam i usually go to scriptlance to get a programmer to help out in situations as such, but i'm always reluctant to them looking at the script and possibly trying to rip it off and get their own copy while doing the work.

so i would possibly like to see if we can get some sort of makeshift option to at least halt that action of an editor. for it seems that if deluxe picks up that idea.....it's still going to take tons of time before that can even be done, but i know that their has to be some sort of option.

i think that as important as it is........as an issue, their needs to be some sort of address to this in the interim.

[dody]

I really appreciate with your feature improvement. At the moment, we see that no many users using editor function. Most of them are a single person administrator.

We will list this feature request in our project tool. But there will be no implementation in near future. If you really need this feature I suggest to hire our programmer to do this work.

[jamesst]

i guess if the price is fairly reasonable, and if they can do it...that would be great. i'm open to that.

[Bruceper]

You can send an email to custom [at] nicecoder.com

[jamesst]

yeah, i did that, but i have yet to hear anything. any recommendations?

[Bruceper]

Considering that the programmers are in a time zone that has a 12 hour difference from you there will be a delay in responses. You should get one tonight.