This can't be PHP!!!

[BlueAegis]

I've purchased nearly a hundred commercial PHP scripts over the past few years. Once I got them, I had to sit for ages reformatting the code so I could read it well enough to apply mods and enhancements.

I've never seen commercial (or even non-commercial) PHP scripts like the IndexU script before! It's perfectly formatted and 100% readable!

I just got it about 30 minutes ago and will have it installed and running within a day on my site. There's no wonder you guys are called 'Nice Coders!' Thank you very much for a product that makes sense.

BTW: I can't hardly wait to start writing mods for this gem of a script!

Roy Pope
Blue Aegis Software & Marketing

[Frank71]

Whow, I like indexu, but never before I saw a script written in that b style

Seems again "nice coders" are to buzzy for the buyers so if you think you are able to write mods it will be great if you can contact me.

Regards
Frank

[BlueAegis]

Well, I complimented the script way too soon after receiving it. Now that I've had an opportunity to properly go through it, here are my opinions -

• Though the code is neatly formatted, there are too many missing tags in the HTML which will cause the pages to load improperly in Netscape and cause search engines to become bored with the site
• The code would be much more understandable if it were written in PHP and HTML instead of incorporating the complexities of Smartie into the equation. I've modded hundreds of scripts in PHP without a single headache, but this script is so dependant on Smartie that I'm getting migrains just thinking about writing a mod.
• I guess I should have checked out the 'bugs' section of this site first. There seem to be quite a few nasty bugs in the program and the developer is unable to keep up with bug-squashing with as fast as the bugs are being discovered. Once again, had this program been written in plain-old PHP, the user community would be better able to assist in the elimination of many of these bugs. Instead, we have to rely on doddy because we don't have time to learn new programming laguages/logic.
• Still, for what little money I paid for this program, I think it's an okay script. I do know that I'll have to do quite a bit of reprogramming before I would make my site available to the public. After all, I can't possibly give them something that would make me and my comany look unprofessional, and I can't charge them for services on my site if they aren't going to get quality services from the start.

Personally, I strongly believe that if doddy wants to see this script really become powerful and popular, there needs to be some serious changes. For starters, get rid of Smartie and make the script more readable by using simple PHP.

Roy Pope

[esm]

Personally, I strongly believe that if doddy wants to see this script really become powerful and popular, there needs to be some serious changes. For starters, get rid of Smartie and make the script more readable by using simple PHP.

Excellent comments. Initially, I fell in love with INDEXU too. But after almost 3 years of non-support from the developer, I have asked for a divorce...!

As for the product itself, the script design is excellent and the coding very good. Some link scripts are just downright confusing. They are so complex that only the developer could understand them.

I would agree with the SMARTY comments but I voiced my concerns a long time ago about using SMARTY with INDEXU. I could easily follow what v3.x was doing to get the data from the the SQL table to the displayed template. But I gave up trying to figure out how that is done using SMARTY in v5.0.

I searched for a template class that was not as complicated as SMARTY yet more powerful than the v3.x INDEXU process. I finally found one that does just what I want and I use it in my LinksCoder program.

Yes, v5.x has a ton of bugs so folks will just have to wait and see if dody fixes them. I haven't seen a lot of activity to fix the bugs and the "help ticket" process is a joke. If you are lucky enough to get a response, no one else learns about the bug or how to fix it.

dody has commented that he is not a good businessman and he has certainly proven that in spades. He states that he wants the best links software available but then is slow to fix bugs, if at all, and offers no support for INDEXU except installation.

He will just disappear for days or weeks or even months at a time only to re-appear as if he has never missed a day. Meanwhile, his INDEXU customers are left to figure things out for themselves. And he knows all of this yet he does nothing about it. You would think after three years, he could have figured it out.

What is more amazing, is that after almost three years of negative reviews, people still pay good money knowing they will get a buggy script with little or no support from the developer.



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[Frank71]

And you told me I'm the bad guy - no idea why something went wrong between us in past

Frank

[esm]

I refer you to my comments at: http://www.nicecoder.com/community/s...ad.php?p=14166.

Frank, it was never about WHAT you said but HOW you went about saying it. IMHO, folks tend see your anger and not so much what you have to say. I believe you would be taken more seriously if you just presented the facts and left out the emotion. Or at least tone the emotion down.

Having said that, dody has pretty much ignored all pleas, including the ones from you and I, to fix the bugs and become active in supporting INDEXU.

Which is why I will probably never use v5.x on any of my sites.




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[Frank71]

Ah, I remember again WRONG WRONG WRONG Frank - you was Dody
Ok, forget it - to all people who won't believe you and me I refer to this page:
http://www.nicecoder.com/community/m...rt=posts&pp=30

Cut me and you and close the board and close indexu

By the way, you are 59 ?

Regards
Frank

[BlueAegis]

Cut me and you and close the board and close indexu

I haven't a clue what this means?! Certainly, Frank, you don't think that you are the only thing keeping this board and IndexU alive and kicking?

Anyway, enough with the bickering in this thread. If anyone wants to bicker, let him open his own dad-burn thread for the cat-fight.

Yes, v5.x has a ton of bugs so folks will just have to wait and see if dody fixes them. I haven't seen a lot of activity to fix the bugs and the "help ticket" process is a joke. If you are lucky enough to get a response, no one else learns about the bug or how to fix it.

Well, I've been lucky enough to meet a help-desk tech named zubby who has already stood by me and helped to squash a few bugs. Some of the bugs that zubby helped squash were mentioned elsewhere on this board in other threads by other users. It makes me wonder if anybody is actually taking the time to use the help-desk system and to properly describe the problems caused by the bugs so that they can be located and exterminated.

Shoot! Zubby even pointed out a stupid punctuation error that I made in the code that was causing me problems. Not even an IndexU bug, but Zubby was there to help me when I needed the help.

Now... "If you are lucky enough to get a response, no one else learns about the bug or how to fix it." Whose fault is this? If a help-desk ticket results in a squashed bug for an end-user, its just as much the fault of the end-user as it is of the help-desk tech for not posting the bug-squash on the board for everyone else to use.

I've only been using this board for a couple of days, now. So far, I have posted bug fixes for several problems. Most of those bug fixes originated from the help-desk in response to my requests for help. As a member of this "community", I took it upon myself to spend a few moments of my precious time to share those bug-fixes with everyone else instead of just applying them to my site and moving on.

If you've never been there before, I recommend that anyone reading this post swing over and visit the PHPBB forum at http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/. The members of that forum actually share their bug fixes with each other. In return, PHPBB has become a really powerful script with barely a flaw. As a matter of fact, it is because of the cooperation of the forum members with each other that hacking groups such as AstalaVista have practically given up on trying to discover exploits in the script.

Well, my two-cents worth has turned into more than I intended, so I'm going to wrap up these comments.

Roy

[Frank71]

Hello,

sorry for disturbing your Thread.
Yes, you are right, without esm and me indexu was death years ago, I'm sure.

So about help desk:
You can't count the messages I sent to the different systems, but there is no answer and in 2 months they will delete help desk database again, wait

Sorry, but this help desk is completly stupid and only a sign of no interest for good customer support.
People are here in the forum and here in the forum are enough bugs posted to do an script update now and not if he likes.
At the moment they develop a new script to earn money and all current script still have major bugs and yes, I'm angry !
If I sell a script (and I do !):
I fix bugs as soon as possible.
I fix bugs for all buyers, not only for 20% of the 20% who cry oin my support email or system.
I test my application and I report also bugs if I'm not able to fix them in a minute.
I dond't take money or full price for not working or buggy version.

So if you got an anser from Zubby please share it with us.

Regards
Frank

[BlueAegis]

So if you got an anser from Zubby please share it with us.

Sure. Just do a search for my posts on this board. Every bug fix I received from Zubby has already been posted to the board for everyone to enjoy.

I hope these fixes can help you in some way.

Roy Pope

[esm]

That's what these boards are for. A member gets a bug squashed, he posts it for the rest of the community to see and use. The program becomes a more stable product and everyone gets to enjoy it much more.

I'm working on a few more right now. Will post their squashes as they occur.

Sorry for any problems this may have caused anyone.

Roy

While I agree with you that bug fixes should be posted in the forums, I think that it is the responsibility of the developer to post them, not the individual members. Although it is certainly commendable of you to post the bug fixes you receive, I can think of several reasons why it should be the official policy of the developer to post the bug fixes himself and not lay that responsibility off on the members.

but according to developer, it is not even the official policy to fix bugs (although one might assume that the help desk does provide bug fixes ). see. http://www.nicecoder.com/community/s...ead.php?t=3106

Helpdesk and email support
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If you have any questions or problems about our products, please feel free to email us at support@nicecoder.com or submit new ticket at http://www.nicecoder.com/helpdesk
You can expect we will respond your questions within 24 hours.

We provide support for installation, templating, and consultation about your project for custom work. Please understand that we may not able to provide support for code hacking and modification. You may use this forum for this purpose and discuss with other users.

but I can only assume since the developer has ignored numerous pleas over the past few months to post the bug fixes himself, that he has no intention of posting the bug fixes here on the forum for all to benefit.



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