V 6

[Harkster]

I was doing a bit of bumming around the forum today. Was going to place an order today but then I read that V6 may be nearing release.

While I would like to get moving I do have a functioning site and don't need to be rushed in moving to Indexu and then turning around and doing a major upgrade in a month or so.

Would I be well served to wait for the new version. I have built a template design which I want to take a shot at implementing (www.ceramicartsindex.com/test - built from parts and css etc. are not completed). If I invest all the work in doing that will I have to turn right around and do it all over for V6.

Brain crash! I remember reading about the php, blocks and html files relationships and can't find it again. Anyone can point me to the post?

[FSGDAG]

While Bruce will be the best one to answer all your questions, I'll take a general stab at some of them.

Version 6 WILL have different coding for the templates. So anything you made with version 5.4 ( template wise ) would need to be redone for version 6.

There will be some signficant changes in version 6. So anything you did with 5.4 ( mod wise ) would need to be done differently in version 6.

You wont be forced to move to 6 right away, so you could take your time in upgrading, but you'll need to determine if its worth waiting for 6 or not

[Harkster]

Thanks, question answered. Now in holding pattern until...

Unless go ahead with the beta and only 1 learning curve to tackle.

[Bruceper]

Version 6 WILL have different coding for the templates. So anything you made with version 5.4 ( template wise ) would need to be redone for version 6.

Correct. However you may just need to add the new variables to make the new stuff work rather than rewriting everything.

There will be some signficant changes in version 6. So anything you did with 5.4 ( mod wise ) would need to be done differently in version 6.

Absolutely correct. Mods that you made will be toast.

[Harkster]

Any V6 time frame yet?

[Bruceper]

Apparently this week

[esm]

Any V6 time frame yet?

this week? see http://www.nicecoder.com/community/s...1194#post31194



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[Bruceper]

Yes this week. Or do you not subscribe to Sunday being the beginning of the week?

[esm]

Yes this week. Or do you not subscribe to Sunday being the beginning of the week?

rather than trying to sort out what day the week begins on, maybe the better person to ask about when INDEXU will be released is dody.

Since dody use of the term "next week" ruled out the weekend, the first day he would release INDEXU DELUXE would be Monday. And under any calendar I've ever seen, the week starts on either Sunday or Monday. So my use of the term "this week" would mean sometime Monday thru Friday under either starting date. But coming from a small town in South Carolina, population 15, I surely haven't seen every thing.

Actually, my questioning of "this week" had more to do with the possibility of a subsequent week for the release as opposed to what day the week started on. sorry, as history has repeatedly shown, dody has no credibility when it comes to deadlines.

but he does write a good program.



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[Bruceper]

I'm only going by his statements. If anyone asks me I say "soon"

[esm]

I'm only going by his statements. If anyone asks me I say "soon"

he should give you a date whether you are free to disclose it are not.


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[Bruceper]

Since a few of you are up in arms about a "beta" version I sent an email to Dody and asked him if he could consider releasing an "official" beta version so users could check for, and report bugs on.

Once those bugs were reported and fixed then possibly a second beta nd then final release.

However with the plugin system I do not see big issues arising out of updating the php files a week or a month after any release since (in theory) there should be almost no need to edit the php files.

It's all up to Dody however. I'll update you with any info that I hear.

[FSGDAG]

Since a few of you are up in arms about a "beta" version

Bruce... I'm sure this was said in jest... But having a beta version does alot for NiceCoder / IndexU and us. Sure, we get to play with a new version, but we help to make IndexU a stronger and better product. Which in the end, makes NiceCoder and the Community better

[esm]

Once those bugs were reported and fixed ...then final release.

Better get cracking if that final release is to come out "this week."

However with the plugin system I do not see big issues arising out of updating the php files a week or a month after any release since (in theory) there should be almost no need to edit the [ core ] php files.

I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about the new "plugin" feature of INDEXU because I don't know a lot about it.

But I did look at the code. I added the word core to your post cause plugins are php files too. In looking at the plugin examples it looks like to me that you create a plugin and then use some php code to "include" it into a file. Not unlike a block. But unlike blocks, you can control the plugin thru the ACP.

I don't see where the plugin changes any core code. And from my experience, that is what a lot of the MODs do. For example, if you want to make the URL optional, you have to edit the add and modify files.

While I'm not quite ready to say this definately, it looks like plugins would be a way to replace SMARTY blocks. Then you have the ability to manage the plugins thru the ACP. But plugins may be able to do more than blocks.

I'm not sure that plugins will make upgrading that much easier. If pages were built dynamically from the activated plugins, then maybe. But what I am seeing at this early stage, is that you still have to put some code to include the plugin in the core php files in order to use the plugin. dody's post didn't dispel that idea.

Some MODs may be able to use the plugin system. But if you look at some of the recent MODs, I just can't see how they could have been done with the plugin system.

All of the above is somewhat subject to the STUPID test. Maybe. and yes, that is a firm maybe.


BTW: as for the SVN/beta version, I took the position of waiting until the final version came out, at least given the late date just prior to the release of the final version.

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[Bruceper]

If users want an "official" beta other than SVN then it's not going to release this week. Those are the hard facts.

As for the plugins, even if they DO change the code, once you upgrade the site it should be simple to reapply the plugin rather than spend 15 minutes to hours modifying the code.