July mod of the month winner

[Bruceper]

Congratulations to esm and his Show Pick MOD for winning the mod of the month contest for July.

The prize, in case you forgot, is $100 cash! Keep the mods rolling in for your chance to win.

ESM please PM me your paypal email address and I'll get John to send the payment as soon as he can.

[esm]

Congratulations to esm and his Show Pick MOD for winning the mod of the month contest for July.

I'm almost finished with the September MOD. should be ready the first week or so. It's a WINNER...!!!

ESM please PM me your paypal email address and I'll get John to send the payment as soon as he can.

done...!!!



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[Bruceper]

Very good, I've sent your email to John, you should receive something soon.

[inspireme]

esm should be able to win every month could we change the rules? or maybe we could change the competition to something more like... "indexU pays $150 for every mod they decide to showcase on an online store for free download" no limits to winning cash, lots of great content for indexU.

[Bruceper]

That's why a user cannot win two months in a row, so that others have a chance.

[esm]

esm should be able to win every month could we change the rules? or maybe we could change the competition to something more like... "indexU pays $150 for every mod they decide to showcase on an online store for free download" no limits to winning cash, lots of great content for indexU.

well, inspireme is way ahead of me when it comes to making INDEXU MODs.

I have mixed emotions about the whole MOD thing. I think excluding the previous month winner is wrong. It certainly inhibits me from submitting any MODs in that excluded month. I'm certainly not going to submit a MOD in a month that I am prevented from winning. And it's not about the money because I don't need it. I gave away all my free stuff when I supported INDEXU for free.

And over the last 5 years there has only been about 2 or 3 folks at any one time that could do a decent MOD. And if you exclude one of those because he won the prize the previous month, well, that just doesn't seem to be very productive.

Then the MOD has to be free. While I realize the winner gets some money, that is just a one time amount. I'd like to think that I could sell the MOD and make at least as much as the prize money. The only problem is that there just doesn't appear to be anyone actively using INDEXU and thus selling MODs is about like selling INDEXU themes. Neither one is viable; maybe the winner is better off taking the sure thing. And this is not just a "summer" thing. There is a spurt of activity with a new release but the forum returns to "dead" status within a short period of time.

So ultimately it all comes down to forum activity. Other than brucepr's efforts, the folks at Nicecoder have no intention of doing anything to promote and/or stimulate forum activity. It's been this way for almost 5 years now and it is Nicecoder's stated position to limit their involvement in the forum.

So, I'll just submit a MOD every once in a while, tell a few jokes and hang round until maybe things get better. I'm still waiting to see improvements from the licensee fee fiasco back in April (this is now August) but so far not much is visible. Yeah, I know, the work is all behind the scenes right now .


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[Bruceper]

I've created mods that were requested by users, and seconded by many. Then when the time came I offered that mod for $5 and not one single person purchased it.

The whole point of the award is to encourage the development of mods and reward the user who created it. If you dislike the rules of the contest then you can say so by not participating if that is your choice. But from your words it sure sounds like you don't mind the free money every once in a while.

You're never happy esm, no matter what I do or say.

There has been "improvement" since April, you just don't acknowledge it and much of it you haven't seen as of yet. Since April there have been four versions of iDesk, one new manual, three updates of manuals, updates to the templates, one IndexU release, bug fixes, changes and additions to IndexU in SVN (to be released soon), one new product (Nicetalk, you can see it at the top of the forum - to be released soon), and numerous other small changes.

This week will be busy, and I can't guarantee that everything I want to happen will happen this week, so by the next week you should see a lot of new things and activity and changes. I promised users months ago that there would be big changes for the better, and there will be soon. You have to be patient with it all.

[esm]

I've created mods that were requested by users, and seconded by many. Then when the time came I offered that mod for $5 and not one single person purchased it.

hmmm, no one around to buy them.

The whole point of the award is to encourage the development of mods and reward the user who created it. If you dislike the rules of the contest then you can say so by not participating if that is your choice. But from your words it sure sounds like you don't mind the free money every once in a while.

Hell, I love making money. My income is in the six figures and the wifey's is almost double mine, so no, I don't need it. But will I turn down $100...? Nope, because I like winning. I like the challenge of competing and winning.

You're never happy esm, no matter what I do or say.

Acually, I am quite happy. You are just not around me enough to see my sunny disposition (my oldest son gave each person in our family Native American names a few years ago. Mine is "Chief Smiley Face").

Also, I can assure you that it is nothing personal. Hell, I think you do a good job on the forum and for Nicecoder. I am glad that you are the GM for Nicecoder. If I recall correctly, it is just you and your son. You have my admiration and repect for raising him and providing for him. I wish you the best.

But that does not mean you get a free pass from me. I expect the best from my own children and while they all adults now, I still don't let them get by with anything (and they still love me...!!! ).

There has been "improvement" since April, you just don't acknowledge it and much of it you haven't seen as of yet. Since April there have been four versions of iDesk, one new manual, three updates of manuals, updates to the templates, one IndexU release, bug fixes, changes and additions to IndexU in SVN (to be released soon), one new product (Nicetalk, you can see it at the top of the forum - to be released soon), and numerous other small changes.

hmmmm...kinda hard to acknowledge improvement that I haven't seen. and enough with the iDesk already; nobody in the INDEXU forum cares what you do with iDesk.

Actually, I am aware of the things that you mention. But it's not a question of whether or not things have been done since April. The general impression I have from the introduction of the yearly INDEXU license fee is that we would see really noticeable improvement in everything related to INDEXU. It is my opinon that the changes you mention fall short of the Nicecoder commitment to improvement in return for charging the license fee. Where is the "extra...?"

you talk about bug fixes, SVN, etc. but I just don't see the "extra" there. if you look back thru the forum, you see the bug fixes and releases of 5.0.1, 5.0.2, 5.0.3 etc in the first few months after 5.0.0. The same with v3.2 but in a less formal manner. And even you tell folks not to use SVN.

so the question is: would we be at approximately this same point without the imposition of yearly fees...? So far, I would say that paying the fees hasn't improved things in a material way.

This week will be busy, and I can't guarantee that everything I want to happen will happen this week, so by the next week you should see a lot of new things and activity and changes. I promised users months ago that there would be big changes for the better, and there will be soon. You have to be patient with it all.

this all started with the license fee issue at the end of April, almost 4 months ago. You ask for patience but how long do we have to wait? I can tell you that the longer we have to wait the more we will be yipping at your feet. well, a couple of us anyway cause there are not many of us left.

And here is the basic question for Nicecoder. Does Nicecoder want an active community...??? If not, then keep doing what you have been doing because it is working for you. it sure has been inactive recently. And even longer -for the past 5 years.

But if you want an active forum with folks helping others, plenty of folks developing MODs and plugins, people spreading the word about the benefits of INDEXU, then Nicecoder needs to do something different. Maybe even to the point of stopping the development of new products, major changes to existing products, etc.

Because if INDEXU is so damn good, why is the forum community almost dead. If INDEXU is that good, then there should be folks aplenty promoting, helping and talking up INDEXU.

Either Nicecoder has done things wrong in the past or there are just no sales and thus no new customers to become involved in the forum.


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[Bruceper]

I realize it's not personal, I do, but still you never seem happy with anything that's been said /done for months.

The wait will be no more than two weeks, but like I said hopefully this week. Sine taking my new position I have the ability to push harder now. Releases will be coming more often (I feel every 6-8 weeks is sufficient for development and testing).

I have already stated that development of other products has been stopped for a while to focus on IndexU. And I already have a game plan of what will be done next month for IndexU as well which includes plugins and payment modules.

You have to believe and trust me that a lot of changes have been made or will be made very shortly. In april I didn't have the ability to guarantee anything, now I do. I can't guarantee everyone will be happy, but I will guarantee that there will be a lot of new things and a lot of change.

[esm]

I realize it's not personal, I do, but still you never seem happy with anything that's been said /done for months.

Don't mistake intensity or striving for excellence as being unhappy. But in one sense I am unhappy about what has happened to a very good product over the past 5 years. I want a strong, vibrant community for INDEXU and it just does not exist. and never has. and in my opinion never will. The culture, policies and procedures of Nicecoder all seem pointed to prevent that from happening.

I am unhappy about that? Yep, but there are a lot of unhappy folks on Nicecoder that feel the same way.

We all have heard the promises over the years. Sorry , but when you make promises for Nicecoder, you are just the recipient of all the broken ones from the past. But you can put a stop to that by blowing us all away by making INDEXU a happening place to be.

But the reality of situation has so far trumped the promises Nicecoder.



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